The Ideal Male Physique — What girls want & what guys want to be

Posted by W. Shane Duquette

Not surprisingly, the male and female perspectives differ — a lot! Turns out a typical athlete or amateur gym-goer wants a body that women don’t even find attractive, let alone ideal. If we want to be hotties, and honestly on some level most of us do, we’re totally clueless. Should that matter? I don’t know. Is it interesting? Definitely.

There are some surprises for women, too. Ryan Reynolds was one of the top picks when they were asked to write in the most ideal celebrity body… but even the girls that wrote in his name more often than not didn’t select his body (no heads were present) in the line-up. The body they selected in the line-up wasn’t even all that similar. So all of you guys thinking that you’ve got to have Ryan Reynolds’ body to be the handsomest hunk at the bar, or studliest stud on the beach… we’ve got some good news. What girls want is actually much easier to achieve. Brad Pitt ‘s headless body (as Tyler Durden in Fight Club), on the other hand, kicked some serious aesthetic ass in the line-ups.

And this isn’t all about aesthetics — don’t worry. We’ve tried to find out what girls want when it comes to looks, fitness, health and attitude in general. Don’t care what girls think? We’ve also found out what guys find the most impressive, and what guys aspire to achieve.

Lesson #1: Fit beats Freaky

We’ve got Brad Pitt in first place with 72.5% of women finding his body the MOST attractive and 86.7% of women being attracted to his body. In second place we’ve got the musician Henry Rollins (at his smallest) with 11.8% of women finding him the most attractive, and 41.8% of women attracted to his torso. The MMA heavyweight comes next with 9.8% liking him the best and 37% finding him attractive. In last place with 1% we have three time Mr. Olympia winner Frank Zane — famous for shifting the bodybuilding world away from mass and towards aesthetics. Evidently there’s still some shifting to do before he lines up with what women find aesthetically pleasing!

No big surprise that the Fight Club sex icon took #1. What DID surprise me is that the healthy looking musician took #2 — outperforming the athletes and bodybuilders. And even the starving sex icon Ville Valo beat out Frank Zane, the king of bodybuilding aesthetics. Looks like a life devoted to achieving the “perfect” physique gives you the worst body according to women. Yikes.

To make matters worse, 50% of the men that completed the survey (keep in mind these men are interested in physiques, or they wouldn’t have taken the survey) want to look like Frank Zane (last place), vs the 40% that want to look like Brad Pitt. Woah.

If we filter the data by girls that self-identify as athletes, Brad Pitt drops to 53.8%, the heavyweight jumps to 31%, and Frank Zane the bodybuilder jumps to 15%.
If we filter the data by girls that self-identify as creatives, artists or musicians the opposite happens. Brad Pitt goes up to 73.3%, Henry Rollins goes up to 16.7% and the heavyweight build only gets 6.7%

If we filter by girls that self-identify as fashionable, Brad Pitt drops to 66.7%, the healthy looking Henry Rollins goes up to 22.2% and the emaciated Ville Valo goes up to 11%.

Lesson #2: Flabs aren’t Fab…. But Neither is Skin ‘n Bone

Anthony Ketis from the Red Hot Chili Peppers takes home the prize here with 58.3% of women preferring his bodyfat levels and 81% of women finding his body attractive. Gerard Butler Came in third, albeit on an off-day, with only 15% of women preferring his bodyfat levels.  Poor Christian Bale, emaciated for his role in the Machinist, came in dead last with 0 votes.

Lesson #3: Healthy Trumps Hulking

We asked women to check off, based on words this time, what what was important to them about their man when it comes to fitness/health/physique (multiple checks allowed). Here are the significant results:

89.2% of women say that a man taking care of his health is important to them
74.5% of women want a man that’s stronger than they are
61.8% of women want a man that can protect them
60.8% want their man to look his best
58.8% think it’s important for their man to have bigger arms than them
38% want him to be strong and muscular.
38% are cool with average
2.9% want him ripped ‘n muscular like 50 cent

Lesson #4: Get the Results but not Obsessively — And Enjoy it.

There’s no doubt that women want a healthy man that’s strong and able to protect them. Aesthetics aside, girls want a guy that can effortlessly carry them around and make them feel safe on the streets at night. Who wants the fat guy with no energy that’s a slave to his cravings or the sickly scrawny guy that’d break like a twig? So let’s say you’ve somehow ended up either chubby or scrawny… well you’ve got to change your lifestyle and attitude, not just your body. Women want a guy who’s lifestyle and choices result in a great body — not the guy who stares at himself in the mirror all day while doing bicep curls and sipping protein shakes:

56.9% of women want him to enjoy doing physical things and naturally look that way
37.3% think that men should look good naturally without any effort

When it comes to health:
49% of women want absolute health, but not obsession
42.2% want him to be naturally healthy
5.9% just don’t want him to be sickly
and only 2.9% think being a health nut is okay

Hmmm. Looks like hitting the gym is out unless you enjoy it? But they do want the health/strength/protection/body… so you’d better enjoy it or you’re in trouble. Luckily, Jared and I have discovered, once you start heading down the healthy path it really does become enjoyable. And once you stop obsessing over the muscles that sprout up it really does transition well into effortless maintenance. It’s only the changing that’s hard.

Lesson #4: Don’t love your body — have a great body, but save the loving for her’s

When asked to pick how much confidence, shame, indifference or narcissism a man should feel about his body, here’s what girls answered:

61.8% believe in modest confidence
27.5% want him to like his body
7% want him to love his body
3% expect indifference
1 girl voted for insecurity (but I wouldn’t want to date that girl)

Lesson #5: If you’re chubby and they love you… they’d still like your body better if it were fitter

We said “Let’s say you have a boyfriend that is naturally chubby, like the photo of Gerard Butler on the left. All else the same, would you prefer if he were fit, like on the right?”

78.4% of women answered yes. They would want him to look fit.
20.6% of women said they didn’t care.
1% liked the chubby version.

Here‘s an article on how to lean up the healthy way.

Lesson #6: If you’re skinny and they love you — even if they tell you they like skinny dudes — they’d still like your body better if you at least upgraded from skinny to slim/fit/svelte.

We said “imagine you had a boyfriend that was naturally skinny, like Christian Bale on the left. All else the same, would you prefer if he became fit, like on the right?”

82.4% of women said yeah, they’d prefer him fit.
8.8% of women were indifferent
8.8% of women said if he’s naturally skinny they’d prefer he stay that way

Another no-brainer. If you’re scrawny 82.4% of women, as a girlfriend/wife, would want you to bulk up. I’m guessing that percentage would be even higher if you’re looking to date and haven’t already ensnared a vixen.

Here‘s how to add muscle to your too-skinny frame.

Lesson #7: A healthy appearance and a great physique won’t ever hurt your chances. A bad one will hurt your chances (although perhaps only incrementally) 96% of the time

When looking at a suitor or date here’s what the girls said:

34.3% of women answered that they prefer active healthy guys, but personality is key as well.
18.6% would love to date a really fit guy, but only if he isn’t narcissistic
12.7% are okay with an okay body… but it can’t be obese or emaciated
8.8% think it shouldn’t matter… but they want him to look naturally strong
6% think aesthetics trump all
2% think it shouldn’t matter but want a naturally slim guy
1% say it shouldn’t matter but want a naturally chubby guy
1.1% think it shouldn’t matter and don’t mind a fat or emaciated guy

So, 96% of women want a good body. Only 1.1% of women claim that they really don’t care. If you’re fat or emaciated you can certainly win a girl over based on a myriad of other attributes and have a wonderful relationship despite of it… but only 1.1-3% of women won’t have cared at all about it when selecting you.

Lesson #8: You don’t need to be THAT big or THAT lean. In fact, if you get too muscular or too ripped girls don’t like it as much

When presented with these four “sex icons” 63.2% of women chose Bob Harper, the personal trainer from The Biggest Loser. Up next, with only 24.2% of votes is the coveted Ryan Reynolds body. Up third is Men’s Health / underwear model Scott Herman. Even with the “best abs on the East Coast” title under his belt he still can’t hold his own against the far smaller and far less defined Bob Harper. Why? Because Scott Herman looks like a model with a contrived body, and Harper looks like a fit man with modest confidence. Adrien Brody didn’t do so well either. I suppose he’s a little too small and defined, giving him that too-much-effort unnatural look.

We asked girls why they made their choice. Here’re some of their answers:

  • Because it’s at once lean and muscular. Not too muscular.
  • Fit but not overdone.
  • Greatly fit, but not overly muscular.
  • I don’t find particularly defined abnominal muscles nice looking.
  • I don’t like overly defined abs, its less natural looking,
  • He isn’t disgustingly ripped.
  • It looks the most natural/normal.
  • It seems most proportional.
  • It’s not.. too much…
  • Not excessively ripped!
  • Not too overboard in fitness
  • health, tonned but not too much… the others are a little too intense
  • it looks healthy, and not overdone!
  • looks healthy, young, and not overly defined
  • muscles well-proportioned
  • not as defined – i don’t like too much muscle, but i dont like skinny either
  • not obsessively or overly muscular
  • not over the top muscular
  • not too buff not too slim, jussstt right ;)
  • The abs don’t pop out as much, it looks more like a body of someone who is fit because of a sport as opposed to someone who does it for looks.

All of the answers say basically the same thing. Girls like fit looking guys. If your super-chiseled abs looks like you eat low sodium plain boiled chicken breasts and unseasoned broccoli all day… well… that just isn’t as sexy.

Ironically, of course, the body that girls selected is famous for being a fitness guru. His body/health is obviously a huge priority to him.

We asked the guys the same question (which body do you think WOMEN find the most attractive). 60% guessed Ryan Reynolds, 22% guessed Scott Herman, and only 14% guessed correctly with Bob Harper. Guys have no idea that women don’t want to be dating a Men’s Health model.

Lesson #9 — If you really want to go overboard and get the Arnold physique you won’t have a problem with the babes

There’s a subset of girls out there that adore bodybuilder bodies. There aren’t many, but since there are so few bodybuilders out there, those guys have plenty of girls to choose from. In order to get that effect though, you really need to be absolutely freakin’ enormous. If only 1% of girls (as our bodybuiler question indicates) want a freaky huge man… you’ve got to be bigger and freaker than 99% of guys. And if you’re bigger than 99.9% of  dudes, well then you’ve got 10 girls competing for you.

Bonus Lesson (because we were curious) — Here’s what women think about grooming and manscaping:

Girls like guys that wear their hair medium and messy (39.2%) or short and carefree (39%). Sadly, it looks like only 7.8% of women dig my “long and wild!” haircut. I like to tell myself that girls like that I don’t care what they think about my haircut though.

Chest hair? 45% of women say keep it natural unless you’re a werewolf, and 36% say tame it. 4% like super hairy men. 15% like guys with shaved chests. I’m not sure how my naturally rather hairless chest fits into the mix here. Do I get points for being natural, tame AND shaven? That’d be pretty rad.

When it comes to facial hair 60% of women say scruffy and manly. Right on.  29% prefer ‘em smooth. 6% dig beards… but less than 1% dig the massive Hell’s Angels style beards… so don’t go too crazy! And mustaches and goatees collectively got 0%. Looks like we didn’t poll enough hipsters.

The hair down under? Manscaping? What do girls want? 85% say tame it — the 70’s are gone. 7% don’t like pubes and want ‘em shaved. Hopefully they don’t also prefer children. Yikes. And 8% think the 70’s are still on. So you’re allowed to have hair… just keep it, you know, clean.

Lesson #10 — Summer’s here. The Ultimate beach bod:

Once again the fit-but-not-freaky looking one takes the lead.

And the ultimate ideal perfect sexiest male body?

When shown all of the photos at once 23% of women chose Brad Pitt’s torso, 19% chose fitness guru Bob Harper, and 15% chose the bangin’ beach bod from up above. There’s a pretty well-defined “range of perfection”. You need to be muscular, but not too muscular. Being slim and well muscled is perfect, and so is being a little muscle-bound, so long as it looks natural and healthy. You can be lean like Brad, or muscular but with no abs like Mr. Speedo and girls love both. You’ve just got to be and look healthy. That’s harder for some than others of course. Some people find themselves “naturally” overweight or underweight (like Jared and I were) and it takes some work to get into that healthy and fit range (our transformation). Once there though, it’s a blast, and pretty easy to maintain without getting all obsessive about it.

What do men think? They preferred Zyzz’s body (right) — the body that didn’t even register on the females’ radar because of its too-swollen muscles and too-chiseled abs.

I like the survey results. Looks like the ideal male body is the one that visually exudes health and energy. Does it suck that emaciators, chubsters and steroid monkeys aren’t on an equal playing field? Not really. Perhaps it’ll encourage the unhealthy to become healthy. Many girls face the pressures of trying to get the underfed model look that runs rampant in the high fashion circles and pop culture magazine covers. Do guys really want a scrawny woman? I don’t. Similarly, it looks like girls don’t want the juicing giants on the covers of Men’s Health and bodybuilding magazines. Luckily, it seems, if guys act based on what the girls pressure them to be, they’ll end up healthy and active — and have a body that reflects that.

Have an opinion? Drop us a line in the comments below!

And if you’re on the scrawny side of things and thinking “man—I need to build some muscle!”, check Bony to Beastly out.

Update: inspired by the results of our survey, and intrigued by the comments demanding a more science-based approach … we’ve written up a new article based on dozens of studies. Check this article on aesthetics out.

Wednesday, September 7th, 2011
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211 Responses to “The Ideal Male Physique — What girls want & what guys want to be”
  1. natalie
    September 7th, 2011
    4:42 pm

    Ooh awesome. Very interesting, is there one for what guys like about girls??

  2. W. Shane Duquette
    September 7th, 2011
    4:58 pm

    Sadly not yet, no! After our Lean to Mean bodybuilding experiment we wound up with a lot of male followers that were interested in this kind of thing. But now that this post’s out maybe we’ll create a survey about women? We’ll see if the demand is there :)

  3. Karanime
    September 11th, 2011
    10:19 pm

    I’d like a post about what kind of female body guys like best.

    I’m kind of at a loss, because they don’t like skinny girls, a lot don’t like girls with big boobs, and I’ve heard over and over that athletic girls look scary.

    So yes, a poll would be nice.


  4. W. Shane Duquette
    September 11th, 2011
    11:00 pm

    Looks like we have more female followers than I thought! Right on. I’ll create a survey like we did for this one. I have a feeling the result will be the same: a fit and healthy looking woman with a positive and confident attitude about her physique will take the prize. We’ll see!

    PS an athletic skinny girl with big boobs doesn’t sound so bad to me :P

  5. MISC
    September 14th, 2011
    4:42 pm


  6. W. Shane Duquette
    September 15th, 2011
    1:42 pm

    Our research actually indicated otherwise, surprisingly!

  7. Neil Skywalker
    September 15th, 2011
    5:37 pm

    Excellent article, i cant wait to hit the gym again once i return home from travelling.

  8. Jon
    September 17th, 2011
    3:34 am

    What a waste of my time! This is the worst experiment Ive ever seen! Im a guy and I could pick these numbers! Honestly who wouldnt rate the Frank Zane worst or the Anorexic last or second to last? Anyone who watches fuckin movies could see that the first rated picture belongs to Brad Pitt… And no duh that they pick the fit version of Gerrard Butler or Christian Bale vs the skinny or fat version of him. Do you guys really think girls pay less attention to media and movies than guys do? Honestly?!

  9. W. Shane Duquette
    September 17th, 2011
    11:43 am

    We surveyed guys, actually, and they couldn’t. If you look at #8 they incorrectly guessed what women wanted. The men thought women wanted quite muscular guys with very low bodyfat — not the case. If you check out bodybuilding forums you’d be surprised at the number of guys that think that the bigger you are the more mainstream appeal you have. We actually have a bit of a backlash in some of them, because people think that our survey is wrong — that women actually like far bigger guys.
    But you have a point! Doesn’t take a genius to realize that Brad’s got the bod that women want!

  10. Paladin
    September 18th, 2011
    4:51 am

    Very interesting!

  11. (r)Evoluzione
    September 20th, 2011
    11:47 pm

    Interesting, but it would be great to perform the study with a bit more science-y rigor, because there are some clear errors of study design.

    One of the worst: Body language and position can affect people’s perceptions strongly. In Lesson #8, the lowest ranking picture has his hands crossed in front of him. There’s no coincidence there–crossed hands indicates anger or aggression.

    Also, lighting, clothing, and tattoos can also subconsciously influence viewers.

    So, interesting study, but if you repeat it, you’d need torso photos in the same posture, clothing, and lighting.
    THEN you’d have some science.

    Oh, and, uh, I forgot to tell you: you can’t believe what women say they like. Sometimes they don’t even know. The only way you can tell for sure is to check to see if their vaginas get lubricated. Pussy wetness uber-alles:

    Actions speak louder than words.. when I go out with my bodybuilder buddies who have 18 inch biceps and sculpted, bulky pecs and delts, I see the looks they get. I’m fit, athletic, and muscular, but in a button-down shirt, you can’t tell.

  12. MiscBrah
    September 23rd, 2011
    2:29 am

    This study is crap, haha.

    Girls like Brad Pitt. Real women like real men. Like Zyzz.

    And even girls be mirin Zyzz-bodies. U mad?

  13. Paul
    September 23rd, 2011
    6:07 am

    This study is flawed in so many ways, its useless. Women do not respond just to muscularity and fat levels.. the tattoos are a huge influence, and deciding to use celebrities shows that the editors decided, ahead of time, a desired result, and picked images to reach that goal.
    Too bad, could have been a useful article.

  14. john do
    September 23rd, 2011
    7:48 am

    real women like real men like zyzz? so real women are necro’s?

  15. ScottR
    September 23rd, 2011
    7:17 pm

    Could have been more scientific, but at least they showed what they showed. Had they not shown the pictures they used it would be a lot harder to evaluate the merit and come to our own conclusions.
    And sure lighting and positioning plays a role, but it looks to my like the bodybuilders have some pretty favourable lighting going on and some pretty well practiced poses.

  16. BP
    September 23rd, 2011
    7:20 pm

    BPIFC for the win

  17. Trev
    September 23rd, 2011
    7:22 pm

    Sure if you take some photos and put them next to one another the guy with the Brad Pitt body might win. Put that guy next to Zyzz in a bar and girls will go for Zyzz. Why? Because Zyzz has the status. He has hte power.

  18. Willem
    October 19th, 2011
    3:26 am

    Maybe the brah’s should decide to actually read the article instead of just looking at the photos (they are pretty). Why does it matter if Zyzz has more ‘girls mirin’ his body, or that it is obvious that brad pitt is the ‘celeb hottie’?

    Bringing the entire article down to these few points is probably distilling it a bit too much, so READ the article:

    Be fit and healthy and ENJOY it
    Be CONFIDENT but not Obsessive
    Be CONSCIOUS of your fitness and your body

    This has some great tips on how to approach fitness, and life in general. Thanks!

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  20. JohnnyChristian
    January 14th, 2012
    11:33 pm

    lettuce be reality

    Zyzz’ body is better, the girls who voted against it are just fat and don’t want to feel insecure around the great god Zyzz.

  21. Im Fuckin Zyzz Brah
    January 15th, 2012
    12:10 am

    “Women don’t know what they want until it’s right in front of them”-GymShowerNap

  22. KingOfAesthetics
    January 15th, 2012
    12:13 am

    Guys who lift for girls are failures to begin with, Zyzz has the perfect body regardless of these results. Lol at brad pitts body being the ‘ideal’. That takes 3 months to achieve.

  23. OPisa
    January 15th, 2012
    12:29 am

    Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin’ huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.

  24. ZeezPrah
    January 15th, 2012
    12:30 am


  25. AwareBrah
    January 15th, 2012
    12:36 am

    Whales, good luck with your unaesthetic-seeking goals of 2012.

  26. sally randolf
    January 15th, 2012
    12:40 am

    Brad Pitt does have the sexiest bod! Bob harper is great too,and he is such a good role model on the Biggest Loser!<3

    I would never even consider dating one of the steroid munching micro penis losers lol.

  27. Myron Gaines
    January 15th, 2012
    12:59 am

    @sally randolf
    I do the same thing, laugh with my boys when fat girls like you think we are checking them out. Jakes on you.

  28. sally randolf
    January 15th, 2012
    1:01 am


    lol hun referring to yourself as “alpha” that’s so cute.

    I am far from fat you little insecure nerd.

  29. Myron Gaines
    January 15th, 2012
    1:02 am

    Sally I accept your apology.

  30. ScottHermanFitness
    January 15th, 2012
    1:18 am

    Wowza! I beat out Zyzz huh? Pretty big honor! Thank you to all of you beautiful women! *wink*

  31. MiscBrah354362
    January 15th, 2012
    2:07 am

    WTF so the people who win are ‘do you even lift?’ers?!

    the fuck man,.. the fuck?

  32. Taleen
    January 15th, 2012
    2:27 am

    There have been studies done looking into the choices certain subjects make, and how they are based on their own personal insecurities. I don’t know the name of the journal article off the top of my mind, but it was released in 2009, I believe, in a major Psychology journal.

    The data and results were overwhelming, and I can no longer take surveys seriously without looking at the subjects themselves.

    I hate to say it, but I’m pretty sure that the majority of women didn’t go for the ideal male physique because of insecurities and short comings. I’m confident you will find a correlation between the choices the women make and their own physical appearance; i.e. confident/attractive females would be more likely to choose fit and defined body types (Reynolds/Zyzz/bodybuilder tpye) as compared to less attractive women who would choose more mediocre/average fitness/less fit bodies.

  33. Anonymous
    January 15th, 2012
    3:13 am

    Whales gon whale

  34. Strongmiscpresence
    January 15th, 2012
    4:08 am

    Any unaesthetic ganga who filled out this survey would cream herself if she saw Zyzz a few feet in front of her.

  35. george
    January 15th, 2012
    9:06 am

    this is moronic at best. Guys shouldn’t work out for what WOMEN desire but for themselves. Define your surroundings don’t let them define you or else you have no personality. Who cares what women think ? At the end of the day it is about smarts, personality and wit. I work out to have a healthy body, to be stronger and to feel like i am setting myself goals and accomplishing them it makes me feel awesome to excel in something, looks are just a bonus. Innate insticts drive women towards funny and intelligent guys (it shows good brain function, essential for survival/success) and fit guys (good brain function, also essential for aformentioned) Notice how every constatation based on physique associates a personality to said guy ”looks like he tries too much”. It shows all that matters in the end is PERSONALITY, therefore intelligence.

  36. ZyZZisKing
    January 15th, 2012
    9:07 am

    Wimenz dun goofd. Zyzz is God. dealwithit

  37. lolmisc
    January 15th, 2012
    11:40 am

    Should redo the survey by taking the opinions of women guys want vs the opinions of women who weigh more than 300 pounds

  38. Long live the Father Of Aesthetics
    January 15th, 2012
    12:08 pm

    listen here man. I don’t know who you think you are. I really don’t, but you are really killing me inside. Killing me to the point where I just don’t want to see your face anymore. You have taken everything from me. My family. My girlfriend. My fkin cat. What the fck else do you want? MY SOUL MAN? MY SOUL? Get out of my face. Get out of my life, because I just can’t take it anymore. I can’t take the constant pain that you provide. I can’t take being without it.

  39. Umiringainsbrah
    January 15th, 2012
    5:16 pm


  40. blacksnake
    January 15th, 2012
    10:50 pm

    I would love to know how the results would change if the girls had to choose if they had those bodies in front of them. Something tells me Zyzz’s body would more than register on their radars.

  41. truth
    January 16th, 2012
    1:07 am

    this really depends on the girls that were surveyed.. hot chicks love muscular guys, fat chicks dig equally fat guys, and lazy skinnyh chicks love athletic guys

  42. anonymous
    January 16th, 2012
    12:19 pm

    Just watch women when a ripped guy enters the room… Although they would never admit it. Because they cant speak as open about their desires as we do or they would be considered slutty.
    Therefore you would have to test it like in that NYT article with their vaginal arousal. Cant LIE there.

  43. Ed
    January 16th, 2012
    11:57 pm

    Lol at this, girls are just intimidated by the Zyzz physique, he tops everyone else (no homo). Zyzz>Everyone

  44. Fah ken zeezbrah
    January 17th, 2012
    12:51 am

    Why would we care about the opinions of whales again?

  45. Fawkin Joocy
    January 17th, 2012
    8:48 pm

    #$%&* be crazy

  46. W. Shane Duquette
    January 21st, 2012
    6:04 pm

    Ahahaha looks like we’ve confirmed at least some of the results of the survey — men do indeed prefer Zyzz!

  47. Zyzzforbrains
    February 11th, 2012
    6:52 am

    If Zyzz got so many women with his body, why did he have to fly to Thailand to get laid like every other loser?

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  49. SoCalMuscleBeach
    April 10th, 2012
    7:10 pm

    Most men will not understand women and vice versa. But the writing is on the wall. MOST women (of all types) do not like overly muscled unnatural looking men. Those that DO are other bodybuilders and homosexuals. Simple.
    For most men, shrink your waist and increase your shoulder width. The proportioned V taper is what women find attractive. If you take steroids you are an insecure wimp who once they go off their cycle have the same testosterone level as a 12 year old girl. Steroids make you LESS of a man.

  50. Zeezbrah
    June 15th, 2012
    12:23 am

    I’m fawkin zeezbrah… saw this on Tmisc. Strong article is strong.

  51. zyzz
    June 15th, 2012
    3:40 pm

    lol @ caring what women think.

  52. Miscer
    June 16th, 2012
    5:54 pm

    Son of Zeus. Brother of Hercules. Father of Aesthetics. ZYZZ

  53. JawoftheGods
    June 16th, 2012
    8:35 pm

    lol what women say they want and what they want in practice is very different.

    Just look at all the bishes Zyzz pulled with no effort

    Also who listens to women anyway?

  54. OPishomosex
    June 17th, 2012
    6:44 pm

    ITT: 85% of girls asked were fat as phuck and therefore cannot comprehend Frank Zane’s aesthetics.

    oh, and everyone knows women don’t have a fukin clue of what they want.

  55. OPishomosex
    June 17th, 2012
    6:46 pm

    edit: strong MISC presence ITT

  56. Hugh Ghaines
    June 17th, 2012
    7:57 pm

    I am demanding that you question us males and do a male survey, so that women know what to fix on themselves. Women are far too picky and the average female is either let themselves go or just plain unfit, they’re idea of “fit” is a swimmers build that requires little to no muscle development just fat loss.


    Hugh Ghaines

  57. Zyzzforbrains
    June 17th, 2012
    10:30 pm

    @Zyzzforbrains Watchout your comments mate. Why the hell would Zyzz go to Thailand of all places to get women? Have you not seen the women mirin him at festivals and in malls.

  58. CellTek
    June 17th, 2012
    10:59 pm

    I’m pretty sure if they saw zyzz right in front of them, the ladies would just melt down and try to rape him on the spot. I would like to know which women took this survey.

  59. zyzzbrah
    June 17th, 2012
    11:07 pm

    lol @ acting like females actually know what they want. brad pitt = good looking celebrity with status and money, they already know him, of course they would pick him. but put zyzz brah in a room with these ugly ass chicks and i guarantee they will wet themselves (no nuthugg)

  60. kalso jenhu
    June 17th, 2012
    11:43 pm

    Most of these chicks being tested were probley over weight, tbh, they know they can’t hook up with a guy like that so they stoop to lower standards, afraid of the man looking better then themselves.

    Yes my jimmies are rustled

    June 18th, 2012
    2:59 am

    Anyone who lifts to get chicks is a beta

  62. Sigmund Freud
    June 18th, 2012
    3:52 am

    It’s called cognitive-dissonance.

  63. Biuriful
    June 18th, 2012
    3:47 pm

    Brother of Hercules.


  64. Myron Gainez
    June 18th, 2012
    3:54 pm

    asking women what they want in terms of aesthetics? that’s a horrible idea.

    obviously women are not going to pick the most proportionately aesthetic man, aka Zane or Zyzz. Not saying that some do have their personal preference, but i think most answers come from either their own insecurities or from a fear of coming off as shallow to the person conducting the survey.

    moral of the survey, Zyzz and Zane win. every time.

  65. Glen Buterol
    June 18th, 2012
    4:26 pm

    The percentages only add up to 57%, so Zyzz won with 43%? IM FAWKIN ZEEZ BRUH

  66. I lift
    July 15th, 2012
    11:13 am

    Man. So much guys got sooo mad here.

    >lifting for women

    >thinking you know what women want.

  67. Dan
    July 15th, 2012
    11:35 am

    This just proves how dumb some women can be, 8% they would prefer christian bale stay as an aushuwitz level of skinniness? being that underweight is dangerous, not healthy.

    Also, lifting for girls is not a good reason to lift in the first place, lolz curls for the gurls.
    Gotta target that bicep from 30 different angles for wiminz.

  68. Tapioca
    July 15th, 2012
    12:48 pm

  69. W. Shane Duquette
    July 23rd, 2012
    11:39 am

    Very interesting article. We love that stuff. Thanks for posting it :)

  70. GymGuy
    July 27th, 2012
    3:40 pm

    Problems with this study:

    1) Tattoos. They affect the score, many girls like them.
    2) Celebrities. You should have used similar photos of total strangers. People recognize Brad Pitt even without the head. Even girls do.

    Also the women that voted came most likely from all walks of life. But the fact is, that the hot girls with a fit and sexy bikini model body prefer more muscular guys. Fatties and nerds don’t. So if you want a hot girl, better get ripped. Not too much of course, pro bodybuilders and steroid monsters go too far.

  71. Steve
    August 17th, 2012
    7:58 am

    How would you define short, medium and long hair?

  72. W. Shane Duquette
    August 18th, 2012
    8:10 pm

    I’d say short would be a buzz cut, medium would be a shag, long would be anything beyond that, and mine would be very long.

  73. Mirin
    September 5th, 2012
    2:37 am

    See, your average girl can’t really tell the specifics of fitness, musculature, and body fat among males.

    “What do men think? They preferred Zyzz’s body (right) — the body that didn’t even register on the females’ radar because of its too-swollen muscles and too-chiseled abs.”

    And proves my point exactly. Women don’t know anything about male fitness beyond a certain point. No self-respecting male who’s been lifting longer than 1 month would ever make Brad Pitt his goal body; everyone knows that pic is no muscle and just low bodyfat. The difference between Zyzz and Brad Pitt is that Zyzz had even lower body fat, and much more muscle at a height taller than Brad Pitt, which makes Zyzz’s accomplishments even more amazing.

  74. Boominghs
    September 5th, 2012
    11:42 am

    Women want tall men:


  75. tinaweena
    September 5th, 2012
    11:50 am

    I didn’t recognize initally who Ryan Reynolds was until I googled him. It’s his face. That’s it. He’d handsome but in an approachable way. Really his body is almost a contrast to his face.

  76. Zippy
    September 5th, 2012
    1:11 pm

    Shit poll because no Zyzz #1 king of aesthetics

  77. Erin Gaeile
    September 24th, 2012
    8:30 pm

    As a woman, and yes, a fit in-shape one. My question to all you men insulting women is, why on earth does it matter what size a woman is? Does that make her stupid? Does that change what she finds attractive in a male body?

    Please, go tell one of your female friends, if you have any, that a woman’s waist size dictates how intelligent she is. Say it to your mother, or grandmother. Say it to a college professor, and see what they have to say about -your- intelligence.

    I think this study is spot on, and I eagerly look forward to seeing one about what men want in a female body as opposed to what women think they want.

    I sincerely hope the comments by women there are as flattering to men as the comments here are to women.

  78. Neil Skywalker
    October 1st, 2012
    7:00 pm

    Lots of guys here seem to have a boner for zyzz. Dude was ripped and popular, now dead. Get over it.

  79. JOBRAH
    October 9th, 2012
    4:37 pm


  80. Onikaze
    October 17th, 2012
    5:09 pm

    Interesting how the images with the winning physiques for women also featured men with tattoos or, in the case of Brad Pitt’s image, in a context of something rough, dirty, and even a bit bloodied. To even approach something akin to an empirical study, the researchers would need to remove external modifiers like the “bad boy” vibe those images convey because those elements create the potential for bias towards one image over another due to factors that are outside of what they were trying to assess. Not that I’m suggesting the more athletic yet less gym-obsessed look isn’t more pleasing. I’m just pointing out that there are still other biases that may be swaying the numbers.

    As GymGuy pointed out, they would need to use models that do not have tattoos and are not identified as a celebrity (you’d have to have lived under a rock not to recognize that Fight Club image even without the head (I’ve never even seen the movie and I recognize it)) to level the playing field in a way that would make the numbers a little more reliable. Better yet, use digital models based on real models so you also remove other variables like skin tone/condition/etc. Simply showing photos of torsos does not lead to a study that sufficiently eliminates uncontrolled variables in a way that generates numbers that could be considered reliable and unbiased in any way other than the bias the researchers were studying.

  81. […] tiempo fué publicada una encuesta hecha por la gente de Foxhound Studio acerca del tipo de cuerpo masculino ideal tanto para las […]

  82. Bryan
    November 18th, 2012
    9:43 pm

    Women do not know what they want. Nor do men; nobody does.

    For example, if you Google “hot guy” you will get pages and pages of pictures of hairless guys.

    Yet in the survey women say they prefer the natural look unless you are super hairy. Wrong. They do not prefer that. That is what they say they prefer during a survey. Where are all the models with chest hair? Nowhere to be found. During a survey question about manscaping, women do not want to choose the man who seems like he works too much on himself. But when presented with a line up of guys, she’ll choose the hairless ones because she is not thinking about whether the guy engages in her ideal of not shaving and being perfectly hot naturally. All she is thinking about is who is hottest.

    Who am I to say that people are wrong in their own answers? A student of economics who knows that people are frequently drastically different in their revealed preferences vs what they are surveyed on.

    Remember to look at people’s revealed preferences as your more reliable guide to action.

  83. Jon
    December 22nd, 2012
    1:59 am

    Lol at at the bros and roid heads that want confirmation on their gross ideals, despite clear evidence otherwise. This study is right inline with any male that doesn’t have low-esteem or isn’t brain washed. I bet girls have the same reaction to articles that show skinny is grosss. lol. Still going for a Zyzz+ look though, just not doing it to get laidddd. Losers.

  84. Cheek E. Kuntz
    December 30th, 2012
    4:55 pm

    >Women knowing what they want
    >lulz pick one

  85. Cheek E. Kuntz
    December 30th, 2012
    4:56 pm

    Oh and…Zyzzbrah not being #1 pleaseeee

  86. Misc sent me here lol
    December 30th, 2012
    5:06 pm

    Honestly comes down to the fact that if you are doing it for girls than you probably are the same phaggot that never squats or train legs. In the gym for the wrong reason and should quit while youre ahead. people should start worrying about themselves than about what other people think. Is that narcissism? I guess so but I would rather put myself first than some bish I want to “please”. There’s lots of bishes in the world anyway and it’s fact Zyzz pulled some of the hottest gangas so there is no argument. Girls don’t know what they want so Potatoes gonna potate.

  87. Chris
    January 1st, 2013
    11:46 am

    Boy, it’s confusing. As a male I wouldn’t want to look like some jacked bodybuilder…just not my thing. I appreciate the work they do and their achievement. It’s just out of step with how men naturally look. Even the Brad Pitt bod is a reach for most, but somewhere just off that would be good. Typically guys don’t want to starve themselves to stretch their skin that tightly.

  88. Mi
    January 1st, 2013
    4:51 pm

    Basically this research and string of comments brings me back to square one— Your body type is more about personal identity than it is about what random women think looks good. Just have the type of body which you can identify with most and are comfortable in. There’s always going to be women in a so called ‘percentage zone’ who will like you, yeah even if you are on far ends of fat, skinny, or built. It’s all about identity.

  89. Toby
    January 25th, 2013
    10:10 am

    Zyzz had insane success with girls, much of it documented in pictures or videos. As a guy with the Henry Rollins body I will gladly admit adult women prefer Zyzz’s physique. That’s why we all wanna get big and ripped like the god of aesthetics himself.

  90. Jeff
    January 29th, 2013
    4:19 am

    Lulz, bishes don’t know what they want.



  91. Michael
    January 31st, 2013
    8:44 pm

    I’m not surprised at all that the women love Brad because of his sex appeal and extreme attractiveness on women.

    But us guys can’t complain of what women like and pleasing women especially in this era is extremely impossible. You may think you’re a 7 or 8 on a scale of 1-10 but women would rate you an 2 or 3. According to women us guys highly overrate ourselves.

  92. […] Polls on what both men and women consider the ideal male body (WARNING: images may be triggering for readers in ED recovery) reveal in no uncertain terms that the “women should order the salad, men can do whatever they want” mentality is as big a lie as Manti Te’o’s girlfriend. Men are expected to fit the Christian-Bale-as-Bruce-Wayne physique: broad shoulders, narrow waist, abs so defined they look like the individual compartments of an ice cube tray. Still, that same poll points out the Catch-22 of the ideal body: 86.7% of women surveyed think the ideal man needs to be as muscular as Batman, but 91.2% think that an obsessive workout regime would be a turn-off. Is there another way to look like Christian Bale? I’m thinking not so much. Even Christian Bale would tell you that he wasn’t born looking like Christian Bale. Calvin Klein’s Ad “Gears” […]

  93. Ophelia
    February 16th, 2013
    5:51 pm

    All this article does is move the goal-posts for what is the standardised beauty norm.
    Some people love “emaciators, chubsters and steroid monkeys” (way to body-shame), and some women (and men) don’t care what their partner looks like because human sexuality and relationships are diverse and complex.

    Your stimulus photos are biased, anyway, because they are pictures of actors, body-builders and musicians who are a They’re a product of this weird idealised idea of what humans “should” look like, because their image is what they are “selling” to the consumers in a homogenised mainstream market.

    This article just perpetuates the same attitudes that cause people to feel inadequate about their bodies. Why can’t we just go back to the primary-school level of human sociology and remember that everyone is different and special in their own way, and that everyone likes different things?

  94. […] existence of polls on what both men and women consider the ideal male body (WARNING: images may be triggering for readers in ED recovery) reveals in no uncertain terms that […]

  95. MJ
    February 20th, 2013
    4:42 am

    Women – They think something looks good on paper, but in real life they want something totally different. RIP ZYZZ <3

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  97. Bryan M
    March 22nd, 2013
    1:36 am

    From what I’ve heard from girlfriends and other women, this article is pretty on point. Women don’t want scrawny guys but they also don’t like guys that are massive guys that look like they’ve been cycling roids. If you don’t care what women thinks do what you want to do, don’t bitch about it and call women fat. Just because a women doesn’t like you doesn’t make her a lesbian either.

  98. Kat
    March 24th, 2013
    5:27 am

    Girls don’t find the excessively muscled guys attractive because they look weird and fake like the stick thin, plastic surgery, fake tan, fake hair, fake face girl equivalent. It is an outward expression of gender/sexual identity problems and also demonstrates an excessive emphasis on aesthetics and an obsession with themselves and as shown here, how other people look too. Being excessively muscled is very bad for your health and does not make you fit, it is purely an aesthetic achievement. That’s why women said in the survey they preferred a natural looking man, because it is impossible to have a relationship (where you relate to each other) when someone is obsessing over themselves like body builders do.

  99. miscr
    April 14th, 2013
    3:46 pm

    That’s a stupid thing to say, body builder’s don’t obsess over themselves. We care about our muscles the way girls care about their clothes. You want to make sure your outfit matches, we want to make sure our legs are proportioned to the rest of our body.

    An excessively muscled guy worked hard for his muscles and looks, it’s a life style, not some 30 minute make up routine. To compare muscles to plastic surgery or fake face girl is beyond idiotic. It’s not bad for your health unless you’re referring to cycling. Which even then if taken at the recommended dosages isn’t bad. You’re just perpetuation a misconception about steroids. Anything in excess is unhealthy, but body builders in general are not excessively muscular.

    I agree females and males have different perceptions of beauty, but I have to agree that this study is flawed. Too many variables that were not accounted for.

  100. Finally no more looks debate!
    April 21st, 2013
    3:43 pm

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  101. John
    April 29th, 2013
    1:49 am

    According to what I actually see in real life, when I go out to a club with my friends or we’re at the beach..It’s the ripped muscular guys who get all of the stares, attention and phone #s. None of my friends or my self look like we shoot roids, we’re far from being “competitive bodybuilders”, but we do look fit..Pull up our sleeves and we have large forearms, large biceps, flat stomachs, women love that in spite of whatever this study suggests.

  102. aab
    May 2nd, 2013
    5:26 pm

    Ooh awesome. Very interesting, is there one for what guys like about girls??

    – T & A

  103. jeremy
    May 12th, 2013
    1:34 am

    Girls want the zyzz body type
    Guys want the zyzz body type
    everyone wants to be zyzz

    fuck off op with your phaggytiem article, Zyzz > everything else

  104. Scott
    May 16th, 2013
    1:30 pm

    ZYZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Brah? U sickKnts MiRin?

  105. Mad
    June 14th, 2013
    6:53 pm

    haha I love how all of the guys here are defending Zyzz by basically saying that girls don’t actually know what they want.

    Let me tell you as a female… we want Brad Pitt from Fight Club. The article was spot on. You’d be hard pressed to find a more perfect male body.

    The Zyzz body type brings back horrible memories of all those disgusting Jersey Shore dudes… Too cut like that is gross I think mainly because people who spend THAT much time on their bodies are usually egotistical to some extent and obsessive about their bodies… almost like a reverse eating disorder.

  106. mcsplooge
    July 4th, 2013
    2:07 am

    wondered why women want to copy fashion models when guys perfer the swimsuit models bodys

  107. collieman
    July 8th, 2013
    6:51 am

    There is a simple equation for this.

    The uglier the girl the uglier guy they will choose

    Better looking girl = better looking guy

  108. collieman
    July 8th, 2013
    6:53 am

    A more confident prettier girl will always choose a guy with a better physique like brad Pitt/Reynolds

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  110. Rick
    July 16th, 2013
    2:15 am

    This is no surprise to me. All you have to do is look at magazines like Seventeen and Cosmopolitan and peruse the cute guys section(s). They’re all thin, lightly muscled and look very friendly and open, not hulking and intimidating.

    Only gay guys like the really massive muscular men.

  111. Viola
    August 8th, 2013
    1:02 pm

    Excellent work! was a delight to read!

  112. Josh
    August 17th, 2013
    8:00 am

    It’s interesting to see women more or less agreeing while insecure guys are flipping out, insisting that women are insecure, fat/ugly, and have no clue what they want. Seems like overcompensation to me. I guess that’s what happens when you tie your entire identity and all your self-esteem into lifting weights. Chill out, guys, it’s all gonna be alright.

  113. Henk
    August 17th, 2013
    7:12 pm

    You get it @collieman. The b-tches are just choosing what they think is attainable for them, hence the low number of choices for Zyzz. It’s good, because he would have rejected the majority of them also.

  114. Josh
    August 17th, 2013
    8:23 pm

    “The b-tches are just choosing what they think is attainable for them, hence the low number of choices for Zyzz.”

    Yes… because if anyone is attainable, it’s Brad Pitt, the biggest male sex symbol of the last 20 years; a multimillionaire, world-famous actor who has been with girls like Jennifer Anniston and Angelina Jolie. Great logic!

    It’s hilarious to see the mental gymnastics meatheads will do to protect their fragile little egos.

  115. Colin
    August 20th, 2013
    10:18 am

    This is a silly ass study. Women can pretend that they just want a nicely fit dude, but any guy knows – when you’re out with the boys, it’s the guy with the biggest pipes and therefore the most confidence that the women fawn over.

  116. Phillip-Brooklyn
    August 20th, 2013
    7:15 pm

    Some data is better than none. i would agree that the images above create bias (famous bodies). More importantly, I agree with Taleen January 15th, 2012; that the barometer is tethered to self image. Fit females will likely find fitter males more attractive. For the average woman there is already tremendous pressure on how she should look. Choosing a partner who’s physical appearance is several magnitudes better than hers doesn’t bod well for her self esteem.
    Egad! Read the alleged responses in Lesson 9, “overdone” “….as opposed to someone who does it for looks.”

  117. Actuality
    August 22nd, 2013
    3:42 pm

    You guys have to consider the population when reading articles like this.

    Let me ask you this question, what is the parentage of males and females that are considered fitness model fit?

    Probably less than 1% of males and 0.05 females. Women are always contradicting themselves. When they idealize the perfect body for themselves, guess what they always refer to? Yea most would love to have that nice lean, fitness model look.

    Problem is, its extremely hard to achieve for women. Its evident women are far more insecure about looks then men.

    I remember back at university this cute girl who would never approach me, I later found out from her friend she would never date me because I seemed the type to have many girlfriends and would easily cheat.She had a negative impression on me from the get go.

    I think its more biology than anything. Women don’t like to have too much competition when selecting a mate. Its for survival purposes. But society has come a long way from that time and women can now have sex without getting pregnant.

    Now if the article read, ” Which guy would you sleep with” one night stand, and no celebrity status in their names. That pole might change significantly.

    AS for guys like Zyzz, Greg Plitt, Scott Herman.. In terms of physical attractiveness, I think they would always win in real life.

    Moral of my long post, the gym is supposed to teach you hard work,ethics, discipline, finding out how hard it is to actually change your life and achieve success. Its a mind-body-spirit connection. Don’t be discouraged to build muscle, does not matter what women prefer, do this to test your limits and achieve success for yourself.

  118. Ron R
    September 3rd, 2013
    5:13 am

    Cool Poll,

    So I am in good shape then, do CrossFit and am defined but not ripped, a bit bigger then Brad in FC. as to what men want in a woman, for me it is fit, not skinny, they need to have some muscle definition, no plastic tits, would rather have small and natural then big and plastic. Must have great legs. So I guess for me, fit and trim. Do not like the typical American women that is way to high on body fat percentage.


  119. CB
    September 17th, 2013
    7:57 am

    This is silly. You’re using a strawman argument here, presenting guys who are clearly underweight, starving, and ill as examples of “skinny guys.” A naturally skinny guy does not look like a Holocaust victim.

    I’m female and I have strong preference for short and skinny guys. I love them. Yes, women with that preference *do* exist, though I may be a tiny minority. And again, there is a difference between a naturally skinny guy and one who looks like he has cancer or AIDS or something, like you’ve shown above.

    It’s fine that you’re encouraging people to gain muscle in a healthy way, if that’s what they want to do, but you’re also preying on people’s insecurities.

    Enough of this nonsense about “what women really want.” Women need to get real and not expect some 6’4″ Disney Prince with ripped abs. Women are always complaining about being judged on their looks, but they do the same thing to men, just as cruelly.

    How about encouraging self-acceptance? It’s okay for men to be small, short, and/or skinny. Women need to hear that, even more than men do.

    If guys want to gain muscle and strength, fine. That is a healthy goal, if done properly. But enough with this cruel notion that there’s something inherently wrong with being skinny, like it’s some type of flaw or disease.

    Telling men that they need to look a certain way is not any better than telling women they need to look a certain way.

  120. K Dizzy
    October 2nd, 2013
    11:05 pm

    READ THIS IS INTERESTING! I got this from bodybuilding forums – “I used to be fairly skinny but had a good sixpack and I got my fair share of women. But, I also had those same women telling me I’d be hotter if I put on about 15lbs of muscle. So later, when I gained 20, I did notice a lot more attention. But, here’s the deal. I used to hear a lot of chicks telling me they thought I probably slept around a lot (due to my looks) and therefore avoided me, or they thought I was a player and wouldn’t settle down. Also, I’ve heard girls try to cap on really muscular and good looking guys also.

    1. Here’s the deal…..they are TOO insecure and know they could never have those guys so they try to cut them down.

    2. Or, they know if they got involved with a beefcake guy they would be “whipped” and they don’t want that. They want a guy they can dominate or push around. They want to run the show.

    I’ve had lots of experience with women and I know these things to be true. Plus, the women who admit to liking muscles are usually the ones who are also sexually uninhibited, and like to get it on. Chicks who say they don’t like big muscles are lying or insecure. Period.”

    Crazy huh?

  121. ATC
    October 3rd, 2013
    1:29 pm

    Take a look at the words, they tell all:

    89.2% of women say that a man taking care of his health is important to them
    74.5% of women want a man that’s stronger than they are
    61.8% of women want a man that can protect them
    60.8% want their man to look his best


    The survey is interesting but flawed. You could picture B Pitts body nice and clean without the blood and he’d have gotten less votes.

    Put a couple of cuts on your face like you’ve been in a fight, and women will turn on to that. They ALSO want you fighting for/protecting them if necessary.

    Extremes are always minorities, remember bell curves. If you want to go to an extreme (or are there already), fine. But you will always be in a minority.

    And CONFIDENCE will get you infinitely more girls than mucles (not douchey confidence btw). Confidence is emotional strenght.

  122. umad
    October 14th, 2013
    2:23 pm

    Implying what girls want is relevant, ever.

  123. MMAisSweatyCuddling
    October 19th, 2013
    3:48 pm

    If you described a body as having a tiny waist, big chest, smooth, waxed, tanned flesh wrapped in skimpy shorts that sit below where most people’s pubes grow, with flower tattoos and a Joan Jett haircut, I’d think you were talking about the perfect woman, but you’d actually be talking about Zyzz.

  124. Dyson
    November 6th, 2013
    7:12 pm

    A great article, and it confirms other research findings about the sort of bodies that women like.

    What wasn’t elaborated upon, but was hinted at in some of the responses, were women’s reasoning in not wanting the highly developed and chiseled male bodies.

    It’s not just about the bodies. Most women avoid the obvious bodybuilder because they are turned off by the likely personalities of those men.

    A bulked up body can indicate many things (I admire those bodybuilders for their achievements, no homo). Sometimes (often?) it can also indicate some pretty strange people.

    Well, for starters, there’s the likely narcissism. That’s never attractive, and is ultimately boring when the only thing they’re interested in is themselves. Raging narcissism is just a starting place. It’s the tip of the iceberg as to the ‘issues’ you’d find amongst many hardcore bodybuilders.

    Women want to avoid that drama (and danger).

    PS, editors: There should be a little “update” note next to the photo of “Zyzz”s body. He died at age 22 of a heart attack related to steroid abuse. That’s hardly ‘healthy’ and it’s important to point that out.

  125. Anonymous
    November 24th, 2013
    7:21 am

    As a young woman, I prefer guys who are slim/lean but not anorexic-looking. Most girls like guys who look fit and healthy, but nothing extreme like too skinny, too fat or too muscular. Muscular guys can look intimidating and too much muscle is just not attractive. But then again a bear belly is even less attractive. I think Brad Pitt’a body in fight club is great! Sometimes I like them even slimmer.

  126. Anonymous
    November 24th, 2013
    7:24 am

    Tall slim guys can be super cute! Skinny guys look fine as long as they are healthy and not too boney. But in all honesty i think most girls pay more attention to a man’s face over his body. Women love a handsome face regardless!

  127. Johnny
    November 29th, 2013
    2:53 pm

    Useless article. If they wanted real research they would have used anonymous bodies and not popular male icons. What a joke. Women will choose Brad Pitt because well, he’s Brad Pitt!! They should have been presented with male bodies (not stars, but regular Joe’s with different physiques) and not mention who they are… then let them decide. This could have been a useful article but they completely blew it. 100% useless.

  128. Finger
    December 18th, 2013
    7:15 pm

    I read article about Zyzz and he said “I’m 100kg but i was beter when i was 80-90 couse CHICKS LIKE IT MORE”
    I dont want the perfect body that girls will shy to talk.
    I want the body that girls wll like.
    Sory for my english.

  129. somebody
    January 11th, 2014
    4:10 pm

    Ehm, the “freaky” dude looks much better under normal lighting. In fact most of the other dudes muscled body gets lost in normal house lighting. Just because these bodybuilders have these pictures do not mean they look that extreme in everyday life.

  130. Mike
    January 26th, 2014
    2:17 pm

    Sorry to disappoint all the workout warriors out there, I am one too, but it’s the face that gets the girls. Not the body. I’ve had lots of positive public reactions in my 20s, I also had the face (older now). But I’ve seen guys “dubbed” more handsome than me draw all kinds of interest, and they didn’t even lift! Sorry, but it’s the face all the way. These pretty boys scored way more good looking girls than all of us bodybuilders. I’ll say fame is first, because females love famous ugly guys too (Ron Weasley!), then it’s the face 2nd, than body is 3rd. A muscular body will get you some looks from women, some grabs, opens doors & opportunities. Money is only for long term/marriage types, but it does help. Trust me when I say I’ve seen it and heard it through over 50 years of life experience.

  131. Mike
    January 26th, 2014
    2:24 pm

    I should add this. The face is first because it’s rather permanent. A girl decides that you have the look immediately. Then if she’s not into your body, she’ll want to change you there, to have you work out more. But not too much. If she’s okay with a guy’s non-athletic body then it’s less work for him. If you have to work on something, work on your teeth. A smile goes a long way. If you have naturally nice white teeth and a great smile that’s better than a muscular body to them. You can always dress nicely and cover your flaws. Girls do it all the time!

  132. TT
    January 30th, 2014
    10:57 pm

    What i have noticed is that the more my muscles grow, more women come up to me in bars.
    Much more now than when i was at “Beefy Brad” size. Maybe under influence they go for more muscle…

  133. Sean
    March 25th, 2014
    10:53 pm

    Anecdotally, I’ve definitely done the best with women at 22-23 bmi. I actually just read another study that confirms that, surveying 50 female undergrads. my sisters, ex girlfriends and female friends would all agree with this. So does my dad from his single days, and my friends with the hottest girlfriends are all about 23 bmi. I’m 200 lbs as I write this and pretty damn built, and am cutting down to 23 bmi from 28 or so.

    guys always want to be bigger than girls want them to be, basically. maybe it’s a insecurity thing? either way, if you get to big, they are basically going to think you are a gorilla. in a bad way. if you’re deep into rap culture or some crap it might be a little different, but most educated, cute women are pretty much going for 22-23 bmi. you probably do want to hit 8% bodyfat but can get away with 10-12%. other than that, dress well and learn to talk to them! I get the feeling most of these roid morons don’t actually speak to normal women actually or communicate with the opposite sex at all. all I know is, the moderately built dude (most of them are just puffed up short dudes)in the corner sulking and waiting to start a fight is not the one the girls are trying to get with. well dressed, 21-23 bmi, nice socially aligned clothes, light cologne, breath mints, a haircut and smiling while being funny. those are the guys who ACTUALLY get the hot girls. trust me, i’ve tried it both ways. 22 bmi does way better than 28, even at the same bodyfat levels. I’m a better fighter at 28 bmi, but I know krav maga, so fuck it.

  134. Sean
    March 25th, 2014
    10:55 pm

    by the way brad pitt in fight club? 22 bmi, 150-160 lbs, 5″11″

  135. Larry
    March 27th, 2014
    6:43 am

    I read your article first, then I re-read it to study the results. While it is obvious you put a lot of work into this piece, I am not sure that the women responders were 100% truthful or that your study took enough into consideration, ie tattoos, clothing style, perception of height, age, etc.

    My reason for this belief is because I have spent most of my forty-eight years observing people. I have even made a living understanding human behavior; first as an Intelligence Specialist with the US Navy, then as a recruiter, and lastly, as a personnel evaluator with the US Department of Homeland Security. Currently I hold a Masters degree in psychology and serve several large corporations as well as various governments as a consultant in the field of human behavior.

    There are many clinical studies that show human behavior and choices made, based on the individuals belief that they themselves will be judged as a result of their choice, ie women with low self esteem will select a mate that does not resemble an overly fit appearance if they themselves have a poor body image.

    While it is true that people generally lean toward a mate that has an outward appearance of health, it should be noted that this is due to genetic programming that has taken place over thousands of years, it has resulted in the continued survival of the human species.

    I do not believe this survey accounted for social pressures as well. Such issues as caused by things such as high visibility and uncomfortable attention in social settings, opinions of friends (ie friend envy or jealousy), race or nationality, tattoos, skin tone or complexion, etc.

    While it may have been an amusing read, it is far from scientific and as such, the results are skewed and unreliable to say the least; entertainment value only.

    To put it in layman’s terms: A woman that does not like what she sees in the mirror will be guarded in voicing her object of desire, just as a man that feels self conscious about his physique will make advances on a woman he finds less than desirable so as to minimize the chance that she will find another mate to replace him with.

    Try this observation:

    Find a seat at your local mall on a busy day and watch the facial expressions that women make when they see a very muscular guy walk by. Head turns do not lie, and thin guys don’t get them like muscular guys do.

  136. […] The Ideal Male Physique — what girls want & what guys want to be – Article based on a survey of men and women to show what an ideal male physique for looking attractive is. Probably the most fascinating thing about this survey is how different the results are for what men think is attractive in men and what women actually find sexy. […]

  137. Nick C.
    March 31st, 2014
    10:39 pm

    Although I personally think this analysis seems fairly correct, generally speaking, I’m SURPRISED that no one involved in this (non-scientific) survey-study considered the level of honesty from participants, the level of understanding from participants or the subtle, but highly influential, variable of context in relation to perception (in this case the physical attractiveness of the male physique). What I’m ultimately getting-at, is that the only variable that was REALLY studied here was: WHAT WOMEN SAY THEY FIND ATTRACTIVE IN A MALE PHYSIQUE” I feel the need to point this out, due to the likely possibility that some 16 y/old kids out there (or anyone who might be a lil’ immature) probably read this stuff. It could be psycho-socially harmful to some guys. Don’t get me wrong either though, because I’m not claiming that having a good body doesn’t matter or that women really find rock star guy more attractive then Brad Pitt. What I’m emphasizing is that there IS A LOT MORE complexity/subtly involved in how someone (or something as complex as the human brain and human psyches) makes a perception about who, what or when they see physical attraction. Food for thought..

  138. Ryan
    April 3rd, 2014
    11:23 pm

    All the last that made a position (1st’ 2nd’ 3rd’ 4th’) all train HARD to look as they do, Brad Pitt went solid for his role, he’s just naturally not a big dude but trained insane for the role, all the bodies require A LOT of work … My guess is the women surveyed for this are ether fatties, lonely and ugly and don’t get men like us … cause when I weighed 38kg at 20 I wasn’t getting any looks from anybody but since i started at gym and packed on 34kg and hit 23 I get a lot of women I couldn’t ever get before … Zyzz (the dead guy you placed as males choice) was a sex icon for women when he was alive and in his prime, the reason males want to be him is because we watched his abundance of youtube videos and watch the women swarm for the god like body, we watched his picking up left right and centre at melbourne festivals, we saw the comments on his social networks from thousends and thousends of women wanting him … Women like power, women like the alpha male, just as lions, beara, gorillas etc do, we as a species are ether alpha or beta, the alpha male gets the women, the alpha male is never the skinny little unaesthetic lad, its the big, swole, strong alpha lad who puts the little skinny beta in his place. It’s science brah, its life, its how it will always be … STAY SWOLE LADS!!!

  139. Joe
    April 4th, 2014
    3:35 pm

    Is there anyone who did not recognize Brad Pitt? Anyone? What a way to skew the results. They should have just shown a ripped guy next to a porsche filled with money and would have gotten the exact same result.

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  141. Singh
    April 7th, 2014
    7:04 am

    If women are to be believed in valuing a guy’s personality, then they may rank the bodies based on the personality they expect, ie a fat guy would have a gem of a personality. If women are not too dissimilar from men in terms of finding a sexy body hot, then they’d be most sexually interested in say the look of a natural bodybuilder.

    In trying to find a balance between personality (which they claim to value) and sheer lust (human nature), they end up with a guy who’s a little bit lean and muscular, but not too much.

    I think that guys should realize that if their focus is attention from women, they should strive for a natural bodybuilder look.

  142. Bob
    April 9th, 2014
    7:45 am

    Was i the only person that noticed that guys with tattoos scored generally higher than guys without? its not a real experiment if there is more than one variable.

  143. Justus
    April 10th, 2014
    10:40 am

    Story story. Girls don’t like this, girls don’t like. Infact girls don’t know what they like frankly speaking. Any man who would compromise his ideal just be accpeted among the opposite sex folk is a complete bozo.

  144. W. Shane Duquette
    April 12th, 2014
    5:11 pm

    That’s a really good point! Without the extreme lighting the ultra super lean guys wouldn’t look that extreme, and would perhaps thus rank higher. I’m not sure the pro bodybuilders are a good example of that though, because most people find the opposite – that world class pro bodybuilders look much BIGGER in person than they expect. (Not leaner, but bigger.)

  145. W. Shane Duquette
    April 12th, 2014
    5:16 pm

    Was it because of steroid abuse? He was known for abusing a few different drugs, and while it’s certainly possible that drug use contributed to his death … I’m not sure if we know which one did him in!

    Great point about that look not necessarily indicating health though. A more moderate physique would probably do a much better job of that. (Although his physique is certainly achievable without steroids, and many natural bodybuilders have surpassed that degree of size/leanness.)

  146. W. Shane Duquette
    April 12th, 2014
    5:28 pm

    We’re thinking about making one soon!

  147. Meg
    May 3rd, 2014
    1:47 pm

    Now, I didn’t read through All of the comments posted (I sort of tuned out when people started throwing insults back and forth and railing on and such) so I don’t know if someone already brought this up but could body type also play a Bit into the muscle prefer/don’t prefer argument?

    I mean I’ve seen some guys that are ripped and look awesome, but then I see other guys (some that pair with those same guys in workout routines) that are also packing some muscle on and it just doesn’t look good on them. I’m not saying that this makes a big difference or not. Just an observation from lil ol’ me.

    And I’ll be looking forward to the female version of the post if you guys end up doing it! The results seem like they’ll be interesting. ^^

    May 3rd, 2014
    5:37 pm


  149. Oh come on
    May 8th, 2014
    2:59 am

    “7% don’t like pubes and want ‘em shaved. Hopefully they don’t also prefer children.”

    Ew, really? The same assumption could be made about males who prefer shaved pussy. And I’m guessing that’s over 80% of males.

  150. Kit
    May 9th, 2014
    9:44 am

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    You actually realize how to bring an issue to light and make it important.
    A lot more people must read this and understand this side of your
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  151. Laughing
    May 29th, 2014
    12:41 pm

    Hehehe, I’m laughing at all the juicy goons raging here about how women really love oversized gorillas who look like they have watermelons under their armpits.

    You can try and convince yourself it’s so, but that just speaks for low self esteem and living in denial =)

    Time and time again it’s been proven that women love confident men who look lively and healthy, they don’t need to be muscular and it’s OK if they have a bit of a belly aswell.

    The only kind of women who truly adore exaggerated muscles and form are stupid diva bitches like those in Jersey Shore and such, who I’d stay away from to begin with.

    Oh, and to prove a point I’m a guy you meat heads would call scrawny, my arms are like frozen sled ropes during winter, and I’ve had more ass than King Solomon. And no, they were not ugly and fat scarecrows, there’s been models, caucasian, asian, young, older, well trained, even a couple of reserved women (which I’m not too proud of, but shit happens).

    Get out of the gym and meet people, you might actually learn that you’re wrong and delusional. Only people you’re gonna meet at the gym are other men who are just as delirious as you are. In case you’re not a homo, that’s the wrong place to search company at :D

  152. mark
    June 4th, 2014
    10:36 am

    Why cant some of you accept the survey?

    Most women dont like over muscled guys. Come on! Since when
    has the gorilla lookj been a good one?

    I always said Brad Pitt| Tom Cruise have the ideal physiques

    And if asked me for the sexiest womens physique its the lean
    Fit looking tennis players and vollyball. Beautiful. I find wonen
    Bodybuilders awful. So i guess it works both ways.

    Look at themovie stars top men. None have the bulked up
    Bodybuilders physique. Not fat some are fit some not so
    Clooney, Depp, Brosnan, Gere. .not exactly bodybuulders .

    I always thought the Arnie- Stallone physiques looked awful
    They are basically trying to compensate for being “plain looking”

  153. mark
    June 4th, 2014
    10:38 am

    As someone said…with women it is the face which
    Is much more imoortant.

    Just dont be fat|unfit…..

  154. Xyzzy
    June 19th, 2014
    9:13 pm

    Look m8 women care about personality social status confidence and humor. If you have muscles they’ll run hands on them. If you have belly fat they’ll pinch it. If your skinny they’ll pick you up and hug you. That said zyzz has the best body known to man. And frank Zane has the best aesthetic mass body ever. Want a normal chick have a normal body. I’ll be in the 9% range where the hotties are. Peaceout bye.

  155. david
    June 20th, 2014
    10:42 am

    The bigger the man the more respect and deference he gets from other men, thus the more status he tends to have. Women may be more attracted to brad pitt, but they are far more attracted to status than to physical attractiveness. Thus the intimidatingly large dude will be swimming in vag, while the little ottermode twink will be sitting in the corner wondering why no females are hitting on him.

  156. S.M.
    June 20th, 2014
    11:09 am

    Sure are a lot of sour grapes in this survey.

  157. Art
    June 21st, 2014
    1:13 am

    @S.M. Haha! I know right? Just read the article and before I even got to the comments I already knew it was going to be filled with posts from angry and butthurt Zyzz disciples using miscer lingo. Although I agree the survey could have been done better, the conclusion is mostly right on. Shane’s biggest mistake was using Zyzz in his article. Swole acceptance brah!

  158. Karen
    June 26th, 2014
    6:37 am

    Having just read this article, it’s fascinating. Yes, there are methodological flaws, yet it’s very much in line with what I and all the straight and bi women I know think, regardless of our widely varying ages, shapes, ethnicities or levels of fitness: Given that a man has the right personality for us, we prefer him to be reasonably fit and healthy – and we’ll take a bit over- or underweight over ripped bodybuilder physiques any day.

    While “fit and healthy” looks different according to body type, there is a certain… something that lets you know that this person is in that range. A man might be whip thin or heavier naturally, but because it’s his naturally healthy state it’s attractive.

    In the end, of course, we fall for a range of guys, and there’s no such thing as a guarantee that a certain kind of body will attract a particular woman. Biochemistry determines who we are attracted to in real life, and the way we treat each other determines whether that initial attraction blossoms.

    The comments are equally fascinating: A few men who recognise the trend, note that this is what the women in their lives tell them, and point out that there’s no need to slag off the unknown women who participated in this study for having the temerity to voice their own preferences; and a slew of bodybuilders who are furious with women for not fancying their bodies, and react to this with intensely misogynistic slurs and bizarre homophobic comments (if a man is lifting in order to get women to fancy him, he’s gay? does not compute. Also, being gay is perfectly natural; it’s like shouting, “Hey! You’re blond!”).

    The majority of self-identified lifters and bodybuilders commenting in this thread are not covering themselves with glory here regarding women or gay men. They do appear to confirm the widespread stereotype of bodybuilders as either so insecure and/or deeply closeted that they’re a bit unstable and not good people to have in your life. It gives the impression that performing hyper-masculinity through bodybuilding is all about feeling terrible about yourself. It’d be interesting to hear from bodybuilders who don’t conform to that stereotype.

  159. Michael
    July 1st, 2014
    2:50 pm

    I think a lot of guys are frustrated with the results because they have worked so hard to achieve an aesthetically improved body type, but a woman doesn’t seem to care. I can vouch myself that a lean guy with a nice haircut and quiet confidence is more appeasing to a woman than a burly built man and shaved head. All the guys must also realize that their father was not a bodybuilder, but your mom still had him. Woman tastes haven’t really changed.

  160. Lisa's Truth Teller
    July 16th, 2014
    6:30 am

    …this article is so far off I wonder if they have actually asked 1000 girls, or 2000 guys making up 2000 x-chromosomes :/
    This is portraying the female view that they want macho, beefcake, confident, overbearing, neanderthal types… the reason this is obviously actually written by a man is because…WOMEN ARE NOT THAT VAIN! ¬.¬

    This is just a summation of what men think women want, not an actual survey…probably. Otherwise this is a survey comprised of a very selective group of women…I am guessing you pulled together a load of gym bunnies and promised them a free kale smoothie if they chose the right answers.

    Shame on you for confirming an incorrect stereotype.

  161. Anthony
    July 16th, 2014
    1:16 pm

    It seems a lot of men are upset with this study. If you are, I do think there’s one thing you can pull from this. Most men trying to get a body that women love turn to weights first and hit them hard, leaving the torso out… or neglected relative to upper body.

    Men don’t always have there shirts off.. So so so… When you have a shirt on, studies suggest shoulders are the first thing to work on followed by bi’s and tri’s for men. A mans chest can become to bulky often, but if you follow a simple push up routine your chest, shoulders, bi’s and tri’s will benefit.

    Shirtless, it’s all about torso.. So be sure to do your situps, always engage your abs when doing most activities. A healthy diet is the best way to get that lean look. Don’t neglect your lower, mid and upper back as that will help you break through PLATEAUS in your routine. HOPE THAT HELPS

  162. Sarah
    July 18th, 2014
    7:53 pm

    Isn’t it funny that all the guys are getting butthurt about Zyzz not being the women’s choice? They’re the only ones defending him, and their argument is that “haha all the girls who don’t think he is the KING are big fucking whales haha”. You all deeefinitely don’t sound like sad gym rats. Zyzz, while muscular, is far from my first choice. All of these idiot comments sound like they could come from a guy with Zyzz’s body. Sounds like they’re little boys in denial. Ah well.

  163. Matt
    August 3rd, 2014
    7:32 pm

    You Forgot To mention taylor lautner ll cool j bi rain the korean singer ((megan fox had a crush on him :D)) david gandy joe manganiello jason statham i am sure that those names would make difference in the survey

  164. Jim Smith
    August 21st, 2014
    11:46 am

    Imagine you spend 10 years of your life hitting weights, taking steroids, hanging around with other pumped up steroid abusers to look super buffed. You then take your shirt off expecting women to drool over your muscles, instead they look disgusted.Even mocking you.

    “I guess they are angry. It wasn’t supposed to be like this”

    Be strong, be lean, be fit, keep it natural and don’t be obsessed with it. Much better all around.

    I would love to ask a body builder, especially a drug induced, over cooked, steroid abuser…”what the f*** are you doing?”

  165. Jim Smith
    August 21st, 2014
    11:48 am

    No Anthony you have no idea what you are talking about.

    It seems a lot of men are upset with this study. If you are, I do think there’s one thing you can pull from this. Most men trying to get a body that women love turn to weights first and hit them hard, leaving the torso out… or neglected relative to upper body.
    Men don’t always have there shirts off.. So so so… When you have a shirt on, studies suggest shoulders are the first thing to work on followed by bi’s and tri’s for men. A mans chest can become to bulky often, but if you follow a simple push up routine your chest, shoulders, bi’s and tri’s will benefit.
    Shirtless, it’s all about torso.. So be sure to do your situps, always engage your abs when doing most activities. A healthy diet is the best way to get that lean look. Don’t neglect your lower, mid and upper back as that will help you break through PLATEAUS in your routine. HOPE THAT HELPS

  166. Jim Smith
    August 21st, 2014
    11:54 am

    Rember for guys try to achieve this…no more

    <12% b.f. <12% you aren't fat. No spare tyer, no flab…sport fit. Look good in clothes and you can see definition. Trying to achieve anything less than 10% isn't necessary…and it is also very hard to achieve for people that have real lives.

    V=shape shape. – Strong wide shoulders, aim for 31-34 inch waist with the golden ratio of waist – chest- shoulders of 1:1.33:1.6 Strong muscle legs but not so big they stop you wearing trousers. Again it's all about proportion. It's ridiculous to have a 32" waist and a 48in chest. But if you keep in natural you should keep your looks natural. The blue print should be movie stars, modules and sports stars (not fat or steroid induced ones)

    Avoid steroids,synthol e.t.c. unless you have lost your mind and want to die looking like an alien.

  167. Nah
    September 9th, 2014
    4:26 pm

    Some pictures cant be compared….women look at the whole body,the bigger picture and since women like tattoos its an unfair advantage and the survey’s results would probably have been a bit different if none of the pics had guys with tattoos so they would only judge the bodies…I mean im a guy and the tattoos kinda caught my attention for a sec so imagine what it does to women(lets be honest they get distracted soooo easily).Thats all I wanted to say.Why are u still reading this I got nothing else to say so move on.

  168. Kursad
    September 24th, 2014
    5:48 pm

    Interesting topic…
    But according to this topic, Billy Zane is really a loser. Heheh…

    Ofcourse not. Why do we think about one hundred random selected woman?

    If we have 72 Brad Pitt and 12 Henry Rollins like men…
    Yes maybe, only one of these average women actually likes Billy Zane… Poor Billy…

    However we haven’t much that type of fit men. Maybe %5 of all mankind actually looks like these buddies…
    So for 100 random selected women, we have just 4-5 of these men available… Other %95 of these women have to try thin, average or really fat buddies:)

    So all of these men are it’s hard to find and that’s why they are so popular, at least in their communities…

    And we have just one Mr. Olympia every year.. For every 10000 Brad Pitt like man, we have just one Billy Zane available:)

    I bet,significiant number of women wants to try that experience no matter what they said:)

  169. Kursad
    September 24th, 2014
    5:52 pm

    I made a big mistake sorry. I am talking about Frank Zane of course not Billy Zane:)

  170. shad
    September 26th, 2014
    3:47 am

    It seems like alot of woman are making judgements of character when looking at a picture. An inanimate object (photograph) doesn’t have a personality and you should therefore leave your judgements of what you “think” the individual is like at the door.
    With that being said I have been training for around 10 years with a few month breaks due to sickness etc and i can tell you from firsthand experience that once i started to pack on some serious muscle and definition in my physique the woman came a flockin’. I’d like to think i am a pretty charismatic man and i’d say alot of that had to do with my personality but the body made them curious. Sometimes curious enough to start chit chatting and within minutes of not being a typical “meathead” i had their undivided attention.
    I can only speak from my own personal experience. Hopefully i didn’t offend anybody

  171. Dan
    November 5th, 2014
    9:15 am

    I love women . . . yet, I am a bodybuilder(minus the steroids) so I guess many of them may think that I am too in to my body but I’m not, I just love training (though I do love the results I guess), but hey . . . other guys liking my look is flattering as well!!!

  172. Mario
    November 9th, 2014
    1:15 pm

    It is very true. Many guys at the gymn tend to think that a big muscular body attracts women. The reality is only women that are muscular body builders. Most women like the Brad Pitt’s look. lean and mean, rather than big and bulky.
    Bulkiness and size impress other guys, not girls. That explain why cute girls at the gymn hang out with the skinny guys.

    of course, all of this equation changes if MONEY is involved. Then body doesn’t matter.

  173. Lucifer
    December 10th, 2014
    8:55 pm

    This site is geared more what girls want in guys. It is not for egotistical guys who “know” what girls want. This study is one of the best conducted that I’ve ever seen. I think there should be one about females as well.

  174. chris harrison
    March 30th, 2015
    10:22 am

    How many girls were interviewed for this study?

  175. Dave
    April 13th, 2015
    3:05 pm

    I have to say enjoyed reading the study, you asked quite a lot of questions. I’ve seen similar studies indicating similar results. What does make me laugh Is the amount of enraged guys in the comments, I know a lot of us workout to look good and its great to take pride in your body, but striving to look good just so you can be good with the ladies is a total waste, do it because you enjoy it! Body aesthetics have their place, but the other myriad of factors that contribute to female attraction make it pretty foolhardy to believe a freaky huge body will be the single largest factor in getting a women anyway, regardless of results shown in this study.

  176. John
    April 15th, 2015
    9:19 pm

    Wow! Great article and great findings! Very interesting! Seems like the more “in the middle” you are between extremes as a guy, the better.

  177. 1
    April 23rd, 2015
    12:03 pm

    1 pic of zyzz 1 pic of brad pitt from fight club

    zyzz will win most of the time. stop lying.

  178. Doug
    April 25th, 2015
    3:50 pm

    This is just a terrible study. The sample size is ridiculously small.
    If you were to up the sample size and survey girls who are into the fitness lifestyle, or upped the sample size by a lot with equal representation of different types of women, I guarantee the results would be dramatically different. Of course girls who don’t live the fitness lifestyle aren’t going to be into ripped, fit guy. They don’t understand the value of hard work, self satisfaction, accomplishing really hard goals and what it takes to be really fit. The girls that these types of guys want are more than likely, like minded girls anyways.
    Besides, people who are truly into the fitness lifestyle shouldn’t be doing it for members of the opposite sex. They should only be doing it for themselves and not giving a crap about what people think.
    I can’t believe people read this garbage. I can’t believe I read this garbage. Perfect example of how stupid people are.
    I feel stupid for reading and commenting but I felt compelled.

    Naturally fit and athletic?? Always looking for the diamond in the rough who doesn’t need to work hard. Sickening and extremely rare.. People just want it easy, and don’t have the heart to appreciate extreme dedication and hard work.

    To me this is discouraging people who want to be their absolute best self.

  179. Eva
    April 28th, 2015
    1:48 pm

    I have to laugh at all the men assuming that the larger they are, the more women will be attracted to them. Yes, just like the thinner a woman is or the larger her breasts are, the more attracted to her men are. Oh, what’s that, are you a man and aren’t more attracted to a 48J cup than a 34C one? Imagine that! Impossible!!1 You’re obviously only saying that because you’re ugly/lazy/insecure/…!!11!1

  180. flamingEagle
    May 10th, 2015
    1:48 pm

    Where i live (Trinidad),the women don’t give a shit about looks cause all the ugly out of shape pot bellied dudes have all the pretty hottest chicks because their wallet is fat and they drive expensive cars. Looks do not matter where i come from

  181. flamingEagle
    May 10th, 2015
    1:53 pm

    In case any of you were wondering,Trinidad is a caribbean country where standards and self respect are non-existent. You can get the hottest girl over here without a 6 pack an chiseled body cause money>everything here

  182. Frederick
    May 18th, 2015
    1:27 am

    A confound/flaw to this study is the fact that not all pictures are standardized in terms of the background, the pose, lighting, tattoos on the body etc. One for example could rightly ask, what if tattoos make the men appear more attractive??

  183. Loathomar
    May 18th, 2015
    6:13 pm

    I think one notable thing the level at which women associate looks and personalities. Is it really that women are more physically attracted to Brad’s body then Zyzz, or have most women learned that men who have bodies like Zyzz are just so often raging assholes. Is the answer different if the question is “If you could have a kind, caring, loving men who would be forever loyal, and you could select any type of body for him, what type of body would you choose?” Just a thought.

  184. MrCanada
    May 19th, 2015
    8:42 am

    What’s funny is the bodybuilder you used, Frank Zane, is considered one of the smallest Mr. Olympias. By today’s standards he is actually very small.

    I also don’t get why you did not use offseason bodybuilder pictures…because bodybuilders are not in contest shape all the time.

  185. asthetics>everything
    May 25th, 2015
    10:54 am

    I think that ripped guys are more likely for one night stands, whereas normal looking guys are for relationships.

    Just look at Zyzz Roulette videos on youtube. Watch the facial expressions of each girl that connects…

    But I think if you are ripped, intelligence is an important factor as opposed to being some thick meathead retard.

  186. Jim
    June 10th, 2015
    7:56 am

    so are these ugly?

    No roids, just healthy lifestyle and heavy lifting…but we shouldn’t do this as womnen only want skinny/fat guys?

    It’s not what I see in real life.

    If you keep in natural, live healthy you don’t have to worry about “what women like” you’ll find out from the looks, glances, what they like.

    HINT: waist/shoulder ratio

  187. ToiletPaperBodyArmor
    June 29th, 2015
    5:27 am

    Yeah, ten years on the club/party scene and this study pretty much sums up all my experiences. Being “skinny-jacked” is magnitudes better than looking like Zyzz. Most girls simply prefer muscle tone, not muscle mass.

  188. handsomerandyblackladdiebrad1953
    July 10th, 2015
    2:20 pm

    Guess these broads don’t want us lifesize Brads-from 1968′-’72,Brad was Barbie’s then-boyfriend Ken’s handsome black buddy;Yours Truly is a black Canadian lad,62,regarded cover boy handsome,muscular,a bit beefy-I’m 5’9″,200-205 lb.,boasting 18-inch arms,though like a LOT of older chaps,I’m attempting to lose about 20 lb.I guess these gals fly the Confederate treachery/slavery/rape rag on their trailers and have ugly goober boyfriends/fathers/husbands.

  189. HangingIndent
    July 30th, 2015
    2:35 am

    Wow, lots of butthurt going around in here.

    I’ve been in and out of the bodybuilding culture for awhile now, and it still shocks me how much my fellow weightlifters don’t understand muscles don’t necessarily mean chicks. It’s similar to how girls think men want Victoria Secret levels of skinny (most of us don’t).

    My old man wisdom (been around the world, been to all the social scenes and bars, seen it all, love to watch people and behaviour) is that handsomeness trumps muscles 95% of the time, and you don’t want to be too muscular, either, because that really does turn a lot of them off. Most chicks don’t want 200 lbs of that on top of them. (My best friend’s quote about my other friend’s rise from slightly ripped to huge: “He used to look cute, but now he looks like a monster!”)

    But it kinda depends on the culture. American girls go for muscles more, not so much in Europe.

    Then, of course, there are other important things such as the way you dress, height, posture/movements, etc. And don’t get me started on attitude/game/personality (but I’m talking about physical stuff).

    Then again, if you wanna get super jacked, then go right ahead. Some chicks will love you for it.

    Also, much as I love watching Zyzz on Chatroulette, it isn’t often you see a girl who is legit impressed with him. Most just laugh or dance along (who wouldn’t?), others just sit there bored, and some borderline mock him by mimicking his poses. I’ve had better success playing my guitar shirtless with my long hair breezing in the wind of my desk fan.

    Anyway, lift on, brothers!

  190. Richard
    August 1st, 2015
    3:23 am

    In test 8.
    If Adrien Brody had his hands on his hips he would would look almost identical to Bob Harper.
    Yet Bob gets 63% and Adrien gets 1% so either women have issues with their vision or more likely they have no idea what they want.

  191. Charles Vella
    August 4th, 2015
    9:02 pm

    MOST OF THIS SO-CALLED WHAT A WOWAN FINDS ATTRACTIVE IN A MANS BODY IS BULLSHIT. The real reason women are not attracted to a very athletic and chiseled male body is because they are embarrassed about taking their clothes off with that man ….so its their own insecurities that are causing them to judge this way…my advice to them is take better care of your body and you will judge differently and honestly!!!

  192. Diane
    August 20th, 2015
    2:16 am

    Great job! A very interesting, entertaining, well-written and sensible (albeit predictable) study. As many point out in the comments, there are countless psychological reasons why most women don’t prefer men who spend too much time in the gym (their own insecurity being just one aspect of it – they might be put off by a thought of being less important to the man or having to bear the brunt of housework and taking care of the kids all the time, etc.) There are also studies that evaluate male physique according to different types of sports, and – no surprise there – women preferred runners the most (or men that look like runners), since from the evolutionary standpoint those would have had the best chance of survival in a hostile environment – and so would be the best gene pool and protectors for having children with.

  193. Rob
    October 28th, 2015
    12:24 pm

    I just found this and thought it was a very interesting study, albeit with some flaws. I think it has been proven time and time again that women like a healthy and fit body, not a steroid freak, but the jizz dick sucking fanboys here don’t seem to want to accept that. To the guys that put the steroid look on a pedestal, if that’s what you like then great, but this is about what women like, not you.

  194. EmmaH
    November 18th, 2015
    9:47 am

    Looks like I’m in the 9.8% in the beefcake Brad lol. I’m lucky my BF takes care of his body!

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    December 24th, 2015
    4:02 am

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  196. JessicaA
    January 9th, 2016
    7:11 pm

    Impressive article. As a single girl I find skinny men less attractive. I mean, of course I do? I don’t want to end up sharing pants because we have the same size lol :) Men with meat are much more attractive, that’s for sure.

  197. Johnl
    January 11th, 2016
    6:38 pm

    Something to keep in mind is that how someone looks in photographs and how they look in the flesh can be quite different. People don’t realize how small and skinny Brad Pitt was in Fight Club (the most popular choice in pictures here). He is listed as 6′ tall and was only about 160lbs. then.

    I’m just under 6′ tall and when I was training heavy in mma I was 165lbs. and had a physique similar to Pitt’s fight club pictures. The problem was that you aren’t walking around all day with your shirt off and whenever I ran into someone that I hadn’t seen in a long time I was always asked the same question, “You look really skinny, have you lost weight?”

    These days I’m no longer training mma and have been lifting quite a bit more and weigh 187lbs. I’m not anywhere near as lean but can still fit into size 32″ jeans so it’s not like I put on a ton of fat. Instead of hearing how skinny I look people now usually tell me that I look look I’ve been working out.

    Anyway the point is that I would take these results with a grain of salt. If you had these guys standing there in the flesh with a bag over their heads or if you were evaluating people with similar physiques that you met or passed in the street on a daily basis I suspect that the results could turn out somewhat differently.

  198. DizzyBoyDizzy
    January 19th, 2016
    11:39 pm

    If you think about it the reason the naturally fit looking physique is more sexually attractive than the super jacked gym one just makes sense from a evolutionary perspective. The primitive man maintained his muscles and low body fat from hunting, fighting / protecting and physical labor. Not from doing dozens of reps isolating each muscle group 5 times a week and eating crazy lean or low carb diets and supps. He ate animals (fat and all), nuts & fruits and such — just what he had access to in nature as it was.

  199. sparklegirl
    January 30th, 2016
    3:13 pm

    Wow. Its fascinating how the comments proved the survey was right.
    Men think women prefer the zyzz look and if girls say otherwise its because they’re too insecure to like a man like that or they’re lying or they’re judement is skewed by tattoos….haha. That’s completely untrue. I didn’t even know men thought that look was attractive to women.

    Most women think the bodybuilder look eg Arnold Schwarznegger is gross. You know the way men feel when they look at pictures of female body builders?? That’s exactly how women feel about male body builders. They don’t consider that attractive at all. Arnie is attractive to women because he has a beautiful face and golden blonde hair, a smooth voice and he plays nice charming characters. He looks good with clothes on but any pictures of him topless – yuk!

    I just googled pictures of zyzz and he looks gross, sorry. Not as gross as bigger bodybuilders I’ve seen but still – yuk.

    Girls stare at bodybuilders bodys because they’re unusual and they rarely see a body like that – it doesn’t mean they are checkin them out, it doesn’t mean they find them attractive. Its like staring at someone with rainbow coloured hair or Siamese twins or a giant.

    Having said that gay men seem to like bodybuilders….gay men think He-Man is hot. Girls don’t.

    None of the above photos were the ideal male physique. Girls do like a ripped physique – where you can see all the muscles but only just. Once they reach a certain size, or low bodyfat, its gross. Visible veins are gross.

    For men who still don’t believe women don’t prefer that look – do you find this attractive?

  200. Guy
    February 3rd, 2016
    11:30 pm

    Girls love Daryl from Walking Dead. They think his arms are great. “But, my arms are WAY bigger than his..”, I would think to myself. So I agree with this study, in general. Daryl is similar to Pitt. Also in general, men who get buff ONLY to try to pick up chicks are douches. Girls in my gym have an “off” switch when it comes to those guys. And they look so silly, walking around like peacocks, they are just showing how clueless they really are. Girls like a guy who is fit enough to be confident, healthy, and has fun. If a skinny guy can exude confidence, then it’s attractive. Sorry meatheads, but you are severely misguided (as I used to be).

  201. AG
    February 13th, 2016
    8:35 pm

    Bob Harper’s body looks almost identical to Adrien Brody’s in those pictures…. minus the tats.

  202. Barry Lyndon
    February 17th, 2016
    9:41 am

    Haha. Take a look at Zyzz doing an expo or trolling a kebab shop. He is batting the women off like flies and the ones he decided to pick up for a hug are giddy for hours. The photos of the bodybuilders are taken at contest time-photo shoot time in general they look far less… vascular and would come across as just more powerful looking versions of the more ‘natural’ looks. I’m sure it’s been said but no-one achieves a godly physique like Zane or Zyzz thinking about what women are looking for. It isn’t make up or plastic surgery it requires thousands of hours of intense mental and physical domination; the motivation of pleasing the fickle mind of a capricious girl is nowhere near enough to do it. Men push yourselves and discover what you are capable of don’t let anyone restrict what you can achieve let alone a no name girl you have never met.

  203. Jim Russell
    March 16th, 2016
    1:34 pm

    LOL Bodybuilders are a salty bunch of kunts.

    You’re on dat phaggy time Brah’s, the sloots ain’t mirin’

  204. Pimp
    March 27th, 2016
    7:28 pm

    I like how all the body builders or androgen-filled males saying the results is bogus because the survey goes against their preconceptions on athletic attractiveness

  205. JohnL
    March 28th, 2016
    5:05 pm

    No they say the results are bogus because it goes against what they see going on in the real world. If you look at calendars with pictures of men marketed towards women buyers or what the average male stripper is built like you see few, if any, built like the skinny 160lbs. Fight Club Brad Pitt or Bob Harper and an awful lot built more like Frank Zane and Zyzz.

  206. hakim
    April 8th, 2016
    12:00 pm

    Thresher wrong 100/100 and the owner of threshing stupid and say these are new studies are true

  207. hakim
    April 8th, 2016
    12:01 pm

    Do not make people err
    Owners Thread stupid

  208. Joe
    April 25th, 2016
    5:55 am

    Anyway, who cares what girls want? Only those who need girls’ approval. Feel fit, with energy, healthy. The rest can go to hell.

  209. Kreshner
    June 5th, 2016
    12:48 am

    Uh, what? The “calendars with pictures of men marketed towards women buyers” mostly do contain guys built like Brad Pitt in Fight Club. Ever flipped through a Playgirl magazine?

    You’re better off being toned and moderately muscular than bodybuilder-esque. This is a consistently well-established fact, tested and true.

  210. Jack
    June 16th, 2016
    6:46 pm

    Thank you for that great Text, it changed my mind!

  211. Quora
    July 20th, 2016
    11:12 am

    Are girls really that attracted to 6 pack abs?

    This question has actually been answered, in a reasonably scientific fashion (link posted below). Although, it doesn’t necessarily address 6 pack abs specifically, it is definitely part of the equation of the ideal male physique. I think you might be…

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